South Park Studios FAQ

Compiled by Willie Westwood
from the list of questions answered by the staff at South Park Studios.

Part 44 - Winder 2012

Some commentary is provided in the third column
March 19, 2012
Hey FAQ guy i just finish watching the "Reverse Cowgirl" episode and Clyde had a big role in this episode, is there any other episode when the story turns around Clyde? Because there has been episodes for Token, Butters, Craig, and more. Yep, there's been a good amount of episodes where Clyde is involved with the central plot. Two bigger ones that come to mind are "Lice Capades" (1103) and "The List" (1114). More often though, he plays a supporting role -- like in "Cartman's Silly Hate Crime 2000", where he is revealed to be the second fattest kid in town (after Cartman), or in "Fatbeard" (1307), where he joins Cartman's pirating club. He also plays the squeaky role of Mosquito in all of the "Coon & Friends" episodes.
In which episode does Mr. Slave sing A Ha's "Take On Me" during the end credits? I love his singing voice! To hear Mr. Slave's gaytastic rendition of that 80s classic, you're gonna need to watch the closing credits of "Asspen" (603). They play an instrumental version of the song when boys' arrive in town, but he only sings over the credits (as you mentioned). Play the episode below to see that awesomeness!

Something you might not know -- this episode aired way before Mr. Slave was even introduced. He didn't debut until 11 episodes later, as Mr. Garrison's "teacher's ass" in "The Death Camp of Tolerance" (614).

Is Clyde reading a Mintberry Crunch comic book in "Reverse Cowgirl"?? Hell yeah he is!! That's the same copy of "The Amazing Mintberry Crunch" comic that we saw in Season 14's "Coon Vs. Coon & Friends".
Why do the Donovan's have the same dolphin picture on their bathroom wall that Gerald Broflovski wore on a shirt in "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina"? Does the whole town have a thing for dolphins? Wow, great call dude. That is indeed an almost identical dolphin graphic to the one that Kyle's dad had on his shirt, prior to his Dolphinoplasty. I don't think the WHOLE town has a thing for dolphins...but some of the town, yes. I mean, come on. They're so majestic and gentle...who doesn't want to swim with the dolphins?
Hey Mr. FAQ guy, which episode was it that the Redneck guys were arguing about warming someone's heart with a "hot island song"? Or something like that. The great debate over melting an icy heart with a cool island song, or freezing a hot heart with a cool island song took place in the Season 6 blockbuster "Free Hat". Bonus fact -- this is also the original episode featuring George Lucas and Steven Spielberg, way before they raped Indiana in "The China Probrem" (1208). AND it's also the only South Park episode ever where Matt and Trey appear in person, as themselves.
March 5, 2012
Did the Simpsons reference SP in their 500th episode? I saw Homer driving something that had Braniff Air on the side, was that an SP reference?????????? We're honored that you thought of us first, but it honestly looked more like The Simpsons were just referencing the old, defunct airline. Braniff was an actual airline that operated into the early 80s, and that jet engine Homer strapped to his motorcycle looked a lot like a junkyard salvage. Plus, it had their classic orange colors. The Braniff plane we use at the end of our episodes looks a little different (take a look below!). But seriously, thanks for thinking of us, and congrats to the Simpsons on that crazy awesome achievement...
This is probably a stupid question, but has there ever been an episode that parodied Quentin Tarantino? As Mr. Garrison always said, "there are no stupid questions, just stupid people." So don't hesitate to ask something stupid -- believe me, we've heard it all.

Surprisingly, Tarantino hasn't made an appearance yet in South Park. And as for his movies, none of them have been directly parodied. The closest I think Matt and Trey have come is in Tenorman's use of the phrase "Revenge is a dish best served chili." That is also used in the opening of "Kill Bill: Vol. 1", but it's originally from "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan". So as of now, not really. But you never know what the future may hold...

Hey dude! So in the episode "Cripple Fight", Big Gay Al's depressed and all, and at a certain moment he's holding up this picture of a dude dressed in a Superman outfit. Who is that? Is that an inside joke? That is a fantastic question, and it actually IS a quasi-inside joke for Angelinos. The dude in the superman costume is just a real picture of a guy in LA that used to dress up like superman...it fit perfectly.
Hey Mr.Faq Guy, I was wondering if you could help me out with a question thats been bugging me; What episode was it when the boys did a remake of "The Spirit of Christmas"? Also I'm not 100% sure, but I somewhat remember Stan doing Cartman's voice. Was that in the same episode that I'm thinking of? Happy to help out, dude! The boys make their own animated Christmas card in Season 4's "A Very Crappy Christmas". As you mentioned, it's very self-reflective and mirrors a lot of the actual Christmas card that Matt and Trey made. They even included a small snippet of the actual "Spirit of Christmas" while projecting their movie at the drive-in screen.

And yessir, that is also the same episode where Stan mimics Cartman's voice. Again, this mirrors reality. Stan and Cartman are both voiced by Trey Parker. Check out the episode and clips below, it's a pretty awesome peek into the beginning stages of South Park!

Hello Mother FAQer (haha, you know we love you), I was watching an old episode of South Park ("Death") and noticed something weird... Uh, Kenny's dad is supposed to be dead. At the part where they start flinging themselves at the building, and Sheela said "Mr. McKormick, are you ready?" And they flung him...Uh, was Kenny's dad's parents part of a cult too? Or is this just some sort of odd mistake? Well, to be completely honest with you, it's none of those things. You have to keep in mind, you're looking back at this episode 15 years later. "Death" was only the 6th episode of South Park ever made, and a lot of the boys' parents -- including Mr. McCormick -- hadn't been introduced yet. All the parental figures barely existed during the production of this episode, and Matt and Trey never could have imagined how important those characters would become 15 years later.

So to answer that question, no, to my knowledge Mr McKormick doesn't have the same anti-death powers that Kenny does. Although his parents do admit to attending Cult of Cthulhu meetings. And they were very, very drunk....

(PS - Kenny's dad is "officially" introduced a few episodes later in "Starvin' Marvin" (109)...which ironically contains a similar mix up -- Cartman's mom calls Kyle's mother "Carol").

hey. I was just watching "Bloody Mary" from Season 9 when I noticed -- at the police station, after randy got arrested, on the same bench the kids are sitting, there is the same drug addict and prostitute as seen in "Lil' Crime Stoppers" episode, season 6. Am I right? Man, you've got quite the eye for saggy old prostitutes! You are absolutely correct -- that stripper first appears slinging out "dances" at the Peppermint Hippo in "Lil' Crime Stoppers" (706). And not only does she reappear in "Bloody Mary" (914), she can also be seen dancing up a storm in "The Return of Chef" (1001) and crying her eyes out as Jimmy carries away Nut Gobbler in "Erection Day" (907).

But then again, I think we all got caught up in that moment...

Make an episode making fun of the Kardashians. Matt and Trey are way ahead of you, buddy! They already parodied the Kardashians two seasons ago in "The Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs" (1402). Butters even had a big, pudding-ish crush on Kim Kardashian...but it does not end well.

I don't wanna give your spoilers, so I recommend you watch the episode and see for yourself...

Which episode is it that at the end, Cartmen is done house-sitting for Butters and he sits on the front lawn with some popcorn. Butters goes inside and he gets ruthlessly beat by his mom and dad. Is this part of a banned episode? That's not from a banned episode, it's actually from the liposuction-filled classic "Jared Has Aides" (602). The boys convince Butters to go down to City Wok to collect their "weight loss" money, and Cartman offers to fill in for him at home. The result is a popcorn-worthy beating. You can watch it all below...just try not to go triple dutch!
What is the last song that Ike sings when he's trying out for Fingerbang? That's a great question, and Ike's a little hard to understand, so I had to go to the script for answers. There's a bunch of songs in that short audition -- he starts out with "Itsy Bitsy Spider", then moves onto "Danny Boy", and lastly, he sings the alphabet. But it seems as if that last bit he sings is his own special addition...

Ike takes his place back in front of the boys as Schroeder starts to play 'Danny Boy'.

IKE (CONT'D)
Itsy bitsy spider up the water spout

CARTMAN
NEXT!!!

IKE
Oh Danny boy... The pipe is calling...
clang clang...

CARTMAN
NEXT AUDITION!!!!

IKE
E. F. G. H. I. J. K. LMNOP...

CARTMAN
GOD DAMMIT NEXT!!!!

IKE
G. U. B. When the teacher wanna punch me.

CARTMAN
NOT THE NEXT SONG, THE NEXT PERSON!

Ike stops singing and just stares at the boys. Then he walks over to Schroeder, takes back his sheet music, then turns around one last time to flip Cartman off, and then walks out the door.

Can I get the words to the In the "Ghetto" song Cartaman sings in the episode "Chickenpox"?? thanks Happy to help you out with those lyrics, but before I do, I should note that's actually an Elvis tune. It's called "In The Ghetto", and although Cartman totally nails it, it might be worthwhile checking out The King's rendition for a little music education.

But here are the lyrics, right from the official show script...

The boys cross some railroad tracks, and suddenly find themselves in the poor part of South Park; Kenny's house. KYLE
Well, here's Kenny's house.

CARTMAN
(Singing)
In the Ghetto
On a cold and grey Chicago morn
Another little baby child is born
In the ghetto
In the ghetto...

LATER:

The boys walk through Kenny's poor, meager house.

CARTMAN
(Singing)
And his momma cries...
'Cause if there's one thing that she
don't need It's another little hungry
mouth to feed.
In the ghetto,
In the ghetto...

STAN
Shhh! Cartman!

February 24, 2012
What episode is it when the guys from South Park turn a girl into a whore? I believe you're talking about "Hooked on Monkey Phonics" (313), where Rebecca goes from an innocent home-schooled girl to a make-up covered floozy. It is worth pointing out, however, that the boys don't MAKE her that way. Quite the contrary -- Kyle fell in love, kissed her...and then she became a whore.

You might also be thinking about "Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset" (812), where all the girls jump on Paris Hilton's "Skanque" wagon, or "Butters' Bottom Bitch" (1309), where Butters forms a kissing company. But either way, they're all great episodes...with very lose morals.

In what episodes have Stan, Kyle, Cartman, and Kenny NOT been seen at all in? Thank you! Great question, and this only happens on a very, VERY rare occasion. So far, out of the 223 episodes so far, there have only been two episodes where the boys don't appear at all -- Season 4's "Pip" and Season 10's "A Million Little Fibers".

Check 'em out below. There's no boys, but there is a little bit of extra spicy Chang sauce...

I've never been able to find the episode where Cartman speaks Spanish to some Mexicans, paying them to do an "essay"...only to have the Mexicans missunderstand what he said. Later the teachers had the same group of Mexicans do work, which all made it pretty funny. I just wanted to know what that episode is so I could see it again. Happy to help out, buddy -- and that indeed is a must-see. This all goes down in "D-Yikes!" (1106), after Garrison goes on a rant against men and makes all the boys write essays on "Old Man and the Sea". Later in that episode, the Mexicans wind up teaching the class...and doing it better than Garrison.

Here's the clip you're talking about, but I recommend you watch the whole episode. It's a classic...

February 15, 2012
Is there any episode that shows the boys' parents when they were young? Well, there's no full episode that shows the parents when they're younger, but you can briefly see Stan's parents young and hippified in two separate flashbacks -- one in the hockey nightmare from "Stanley's Cup" (1014), and the other from a Woodstock acid trip in "Die Hippie, Die" (902). Check both out below... You can also see Randy as a young boy-bander during his stint with the Ghetto Avenue Boys. That's from Season 4's "Something You Can Do With Your Finger" (409). It never gets old...
In the episode "Last of the Meheecans", there's a rumor that during the game when Stan gets over the border during the beginning of the episode, there's two Cartmans. I haven't seen it. But tons of people say they have. Is it true? Ahhh, the folklore of South Park! Well I'd be happy to de-mythify this one for you. Yes, if you watched the version of "Meheecans" that originally aired on the Wednesday night, you can briefly see two Cartmans -- but only for about a second. We make the shows and deliver them so fast that sometimes these little things slip through the cracks. Fortunately, we were able to fix it in time for the final delivery of the master on Thursday.
I was watching "Go God Go" and I noticed a picture of Principal Victoria with who I'm pretty sure is Rosie O'Donnell in the background. Is that ever explained? That most certainly is Rosie, being large and in charge in that picture with Principal Victoria. But it's not just in "Go God Go", that pic has been proudly displayed on that shelf for years. (Seriously, look for it in the background any time Cartman gets in trouble.) It's never explained outright, but it's been there ever since O'Donnell made a cameo in the Season 4 classic "Trapper Keeper".
What are the lyrics to that adorable song at the end of Elementary School Musical? You mean "Do What You Wanna Do"? That is definitely one of the more epic songs the boys have pulled out (very Fingerbang-esque). And of course, we're happy to help out with the lyrics. It's a long one -- but here it is, right from the script!

Stan suddenly walks up with the boys.

STAN
That's right. You know, sometimes you just have to go with what your heart tells you.
There's things we're all good at, and we can't just keep them bottled up inside.
'Cuz you got to do what you wanna do!
Don't let nothin' get in your way - chase your dream every day!
True, girl you know it's true - That if you really
wanna be you, you gotta do what you wanna do!
He was unhappy cuz he just wanted to play ball!

Cut a shot of Cartman walking up to some other kids.

CARTMAN
(taking off jacket)
But he finally got the courage to answer his heart's call-ll-ll!.

Stan steps from Bridon over to Wendy standing with some other kids.

STAN
Just like me, all I ever wanted was to sing and dance.
And now that I stood up for my dream I finally have the chance!

Now the 4 boys all do the popping dance in a line.

4 BOYS
You gotta do what you wanna do!
Even if other people don't really want you to. True, girl you know it's true.
That the thing you wanna do is the thing that you should do!

KYLE
Some kids think I'm strange cuz I enjoy studying for exams.
But I don't let that bother me because it's who I am!

CARTMAN
And I like nothing better than making fun of Jews,
and ripping on black people though some people think it's rude, But you gotta-

4 BOYS
Do what you wanna do! Just make sure that what you're doing is what's cool and popular with everyone else.

Cut to the shot with Bridon in it. Bebe Red and one other girl walk up to him.

BEBE
Hey Bridon, can we watch you practice basketball?

BRIDON
Uh sure.

Bridon walks out and the girls follow him.

4 BOYS
Chew baby, chew and chew when you're eating jerky, if eating jerky is what you want to do.

KYLE
Do what you want don't have restraint!

CARTMAN
Don't stress about it or you just might FAINT!

KENNY
If you wanna get high and jack off it's cool.

STAN
That's right you gotta do what you wanna do!

(KEY CHANGE UP)

4 BOYS
Do what you wanna do!
As long as what you wanna do is what everybody wants you to!
Glue baby, buy some glue! Just in case what you want to do involves needing scissors and glue-

Finally there's nobody behind the boys and Butters steps in frame left.

SCOTT MALKINSON
Hey guys. HEY GUYS!!!

The Music stops. The boys stop and look at Scott.

What episode was it when Cartman had a sex doll? He found it in his mom's closet and thought it was a present for him. Help me please! Thanks, you guys are fucking awesome! Christmas came early for Cartman in "Korn's Groovy Pirate Ghost Mystery" (312), and he winds up carrying around his Life-Sized Blow-Up Anthonio Banderas Love Doll (with realistic genitalia) for the rest of the show. If you look closely in a number of episodes in parts of Cartman's house, you will see the doll making quite a few cameo appearances.
In the first few years, there was one episode where a one-second portrait of the four boys is shown as "real" human boys with their hats. I looked, but never found it again. I'm beginning to doubt what I saw. Don't doubt yourself dude, it DOES exist. But it's not from as far back as you think -- that happens in Season 9's "Free Willzyx" (913), when the two guys from Denver Sea Park are trying to track down Willzyx and the boys. That is a very hard easter egg to find, feast your eyes and be ready to hit the pause button...
What is the poem being read at Kenny's funeral in the "Sexual Healing" episode? (Season 14). Thanks! Great question dude! I actually had to do a bit of research to find the answer. The priest is reading a very, very old poem called "Crossing The Bar", written by Alfred Lord Tennyson in 1889. He was a very popular English poet and his work still remains influential, even to this day. As for why this is being read at Kenny's funeral, my guess is he also failed the Nice Lady WIth The Handkerchief Test.
January 27, 2012
Which episode does Martha Stewart stick the turkey up her butt? The technical term is "Intero-Rectogestion", and it's the best way to keep a turkey tender. You can see Stewart getting gritty with Intero-Recto in "Red Hot Catholic Love" (608). She also decorates her queefs for the holidays in "Eat, Pray, Queef" (1304).
ThIs is kind of a silly question... But which episode is the one where the boys are in a forest with huge fruit and one guy says "Ain't that a peach?" and then "How do you like THEM apples?" I can't find the episode and I've been meaning to show my friend. Thanks! Happy to help out, dude! That's a relatively obscure quote from the episode "Pandemic II: The Startling" (1211), when the Llama Brothers get sent on a one-way trip to Land of the Giants Lost World. You can watch it here, but keep an eye out for scary guinea pirates...
Hey Mr. FAQ guy, first off, since this is my first question I'd love to say, I fucking absolutly LOVE South Park, can't wait till season 16! And this has really been confusing me, how many episodes are there in South Park? I know that there are around 223 episodes right? But why is it that, for example, "Pandemic" is the 177th episode, but then somewhere else is says Episode (1210). I feel pretty stupid asking this but what's with those numbers in the (..)?? That's not really the episode, is it? What is it for? Don't be so hard on yourself, dude! You're not the first one to wonder what all those numbers are about. It basically breaks down like this -- there are 223 episodes total, but the main way we label episodes is with the numbering system you mentioned (ie -- "Pandemic" being Episode 1210). This is how episodes are numbered during production. It tells us what SEASON the episode is from, as well as what NUMBER the episode is. For example, "Pandemic" comes from Season 12, and it's the 10th episode we made that season. Hence, it's 1210. Another example is "Chinpoko Mon" from Season 3. That was episode 10 during that third season. It's number would be 0310. You getting it?

The other numbers you mentioned (from #1 to #223) would just be the chronological number of the episode, in relation to the series. That's good for Wikipedia and stuff, but it's not very helpful for us. But hey, we'll let you use whichever system you like best.

Why is there an alien in the reflection of the car in the episode "Bloody Mary", when Randy is negotiating with Stan to drive him? :o Officially adding this one to the Most Frequently Asked Questions, since this is a great question and it gets asked all the time. There is indeed a very visible little Visitor in the back window of the car, hanging out behind Randy. See if you can spot it below...

The "why" part of that question is simple: Visitors appear all the time in South Park. In the background, in crowds, on the walls, in the artwork -- they pop up quickly, when you least expect it. But if you're REALLY craving some answers, watch the episode "Cancelled" (704). It explains... everything!

In "Last of the Meheecans", when Butters wakes up and looks at the town naked -- is that copying "Life of Brian"? Nice to see there's still some Monty Python fans out there! It is indeed a parody of the classic scene from "Life of Brian", where he opens up the window to see a whole street full of chanting followers. Only with Mantequilla, they speak Spanish...and they love butters.
January 19, 2012
Who is the man in episode "200" holding an Oscar? I don't know many celebrities but I was wondering who the one holding an Oscar was. I don't know if you're allowed to talk about that episode or not because it was banned. That would be Phil Collins clutching the Oscar ever-so-tightly. As with almost all of the celebrities featured in the "200"/"201" saga, Collins had appeared previously in South Park. In fact, Phil Collins a pretty special celebrity in the South Park world. In 1999, Trey Parker was nominated for an Oscar for his song "Blame Canada" (from the South Park movie, Bigger, Longer, & Uncut)...but lost to Phil Collins, who won for Tarzan's "You'll Be In My Heart".

Almost immediately after this, they featured an Oscar-toting Phil Collins in "Timmy 2000" (404). You should watch the episode and see where that Oscar ends up....

My boyfriend and I have been wondering this for a long time...Who the hell is that girl in the real-life picture in the first episode "Cartman Gets an Anal Probe"? Props to you and your boyfriend for that awesome question. That high school yearbook-ish picture next to Cartman's couch is a picture of one of the show creator's sisters. It's a little inside-joke easter egg, and it's only there for the first few seasons.
Umm had a quick question: Is the title of the episode "Are You There, God? It's Me, Jesus" a parody of the the Judy Blume book "Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret" or is this just a weird coincidence. That's no coincidence. Matt and Trey frequently parody book and movie titles -- and even the occasional TV episode -- in the names of their episodes. Some other examples of books that have been spoofed are "Eat, Pray, Queef" (Episode 1304, a parody of "Eat, Pray, Love" by Elizabeth Gilbert), "Up The Down Steroid" (Episode 803, a nod to "Up The Down Staircase" by Bel Kaufman), and "Something Wall-Mart This Way Comes" (Episode 809, an homage to Ray Bradbury's "Something Wicked This Way Comes").
I don't think I can wait until March 14 for Season 16 to start. Should I freeze myself, then I can be thawed out when the new season gets here? I wouldn't recommend it. Unless you wanna end up in 2546 surrounded by pissed off Otters and totally miss the season premiere.
Did Kyle ever have a girlfriend? I don't know if they were ever "Facebook official", but Kyle fell hard for Rebecca (the home-schooled girl) back in "Hooked on Monkey Phonics" (313). He even wrote her a love song. But then they kissed...and she turned into a slut. Even so, it was good while it lasted.
Hey FAQ dude, in Episode "201" (which is no longer aired so no one may have seen it or will see it), Scott Tenorman said he'll be back. Are there any plans of bringing him back? It would be an awesome "Final Showdown" episode. You're definitely gonna be seeing more of Tenorman. In fact, he's the main villain in our upcoming Xbox Live game "Tenorman's Revenge". The game comes out in a few months, and believe me, there are several epic showdowns between Cartman and his wicked step-brother.

As for on the show, you never know what Matt and Trey are going to do. But my guess is we haven't seen the last of Tenorman...

January 9, 2012
Which episodes do Polly Prissy-Pants and the rest of Cartman's stuffed animals appear in? It's hard to list EVERY episode his stuffed animals (Polly Prossypants, Peter Panda, Rumper Tumpskin, and Clyde Frog) have appeared in. They show up pretty frequently in the background, mostly in Cartman's basement and bedroom.

But, here are some of their best cameos. This is by no means a complete list, but it's pretty solid:

They all had their big debut at the tea party in "Cartman's Mom Is A Dirty Slut" (113) and played Wild Wild West in "Cat Orgy" (307). Polly played lambs "Bebe's Boobs Destroy Society" (610). Clyde Frog makes a daring escape in "Fat Camp" (415), finds faith in "Probably" (411), gets a tearful goodbye in "Die Hippie, Die" (902), and is ripped apart by Kyle in "Tonsil Trouble"(1201). Clyde Frog and Rumper Tumpskin also graced the presence of Cartman's show in "Dances With Smurfs" (1308).

Unfortunately, ALL of his stuffed animals meet their demise, one-by-one, in season fifteen's murderous "1%" (episode 1512). Even the impenetrable Muscle Man Marc tragically bit the dust...

In what episode does Timmy get chased by a dinosaur? Timmy out-wheels a triceratops in "4th Grade" (412), after the Star Trek Nerds rig his wheelchair to be a time machine. Check it out it below. Timmmaaaaaayy!
Hey FAQ Dude, I was wondering if you could tell me in what episode Stan and Wendy got back together after Wendy left Stan for Token? After breaking up in "Raisins" (714), Stan and Wendy rekindle the flame in "The List" (1114). There's no official boyfriend-girlfriend announcement, but the puke shot at the end pretty much seals the deal. Ahhh, young love.
Hey faq guy -- at the end of "Pandemic 2: The Startling", is that a pan flute version of Gary Newman's "Cars"? Great ear, dude! That is indeed a pan flute cover of Gary Newman's 1979 new wave hit. Gotta be honest though, I think the Llama Brothers might rock it a little harder...
In "Butters' Bottom Bitch", Cartman is making fun of Butters for never having kissed a girl, but has Cartman ever kissed a girl? When? Great question, and the answer might actually surprise you. Cartman HAS kissed a girl....Wendy! Back in Season 4's "Chef Goes Nanners", Wendy and Cartman get assigned to work together and sparks fly. You can watch that passionate moment below....

Don't worry though, their romance was short lived. Wendy has since rekindled her love for Stan and beaten the crap out of Cartman.

On the episode "T.M.I.", I noticed when the boys where looking at there new penis sizes, it showed that Timmy had a last name. But it was unclear to read...so does Timmy have a last name that I've missed? No need to strain your eyes dude, I'll help you out with that easter egg! Timmy's name on the "Boys' Actual Penis Size" chart reads: Timmy Burch. So it looks like TimTim's finally got a last name!

Matt and Trey do have a tendency to switch up surnames though, maybe this one will stick.